I am trying to decide between the Sig Cross Sawtooth and a Seekins element M3 in 7mm PRC. I have watched Jim’s reviews of the Sawtooth and I really like the idea of packability with the foldable chassis and it seems to be an accurate rifle. I plan on hunting every different terrain with it so weight matters to some degree, but I also don’t want a super light 7PRC due to Jim saying that’s a cause for accuracy issues. Idk if I’m splitting hairs and would look to move up to the element hunter, but I’m really stuck on the chassis. I have never built out a custom rifle but I wouldn’t be against the idea. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Between the two I would give the edge to the Seekins on accuracy but the Sig chassis is handy.
But you’re in custom territory at those prices. Do you have a Tikka, Bergara, Savage, Howa or other action that would be suitable to build on?
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No sir, I have a completely clean slate.
I believe to expand on what Jim was saying, just because a gun has a light chassis does not inherantly make it inaccurate. It just make it more susceptible issues caused by the shooter, ie flinch etc. I have 3 light weight rifles, a 6.5cm, a 6.5prc, and a 7prc. I have no problem in shooting any of them accurately.
Are you looking at the element m3, or the element Hunter- which comes with a folding chassis?
The hunter isn’t available in 7prc yet. I’ve heard rumors that will probably be sometime next year before it’s released
Yes sir I agree with that. I’ve read and reviewed the 7MM PRC and it seems the general consensus is that a 10#-12# gun seems to be the sweet spot for it.
I kept going back and forth between the element and Sawtooth due to being right in the same price range. I was wondering if the accuracy of the rifles were significantly different enough to choose the Seekins over the sawtooth. I just favor the chassis due to the packability of it and adjustability of the stock. I spoke with Glen and he advised the element hunter in 7mm PRC is starting to ship but there were some significant delays with it.
My 7prc is a Fierce Mountain Reaper. I believe Jim has one in 6.5prc. My 6.5prc is a Seekins Havak Slam.
My Mountain Reaper in 7prc weighs 7lbs 5oz with scope and suppressor
Have you had any issues with fierce QC or CS?
I have not had any issues with Fierce. I have had a Carbon Rogue, I have the Mountain Reaper, and I have a Sidewinder in .223 Wylde. I have not had any issues with any of them.
This photo was from yesterday. When I do a final sight in before hunting season, I don’t take my time and try to shoot for groups. I try to pull up and shoot as if I were taking a shot on a deer.
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Gotcha.
No experience with the Sawtooth at all. But I do have both an older model element as well as one of the new M3 models, both in 7prc.
The M3 stock certainly has a lot of advantages over the older model. But I feel like the older model is slightly more accurate. However I should state that I’ve got over 300 rounds through the older model and barely over 100 with the newer model, and the amount of accuracy difference is so small it would probably take super large sample sizes to pick out.
Both are topped with fairly heavy scopes, and are suppressed. I think they weigh right around 11 lb each fully loaded. I find them to be very accurate and easy to shoot. Recoil is really not a big deal with either
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Jim, I know you have that chassis coming out soon. If you were to build a 7PRC with your chassis, with about an 3-4k budget, what would you suggest? Not including scope or suppressor. I’m going to probably end up running an NX8 4-32 and Dead air nomad Ti Xc.
I think I would go with
Impact NBK action Impact Long Action NBK - Precision Hunting Action – Impact Precision Shooting LLC
These prefit barrels for Impact are the absolute pinnacle of accuracy in a hunting rifle https://www.stutevilleprecision.com/shop-23 Id pick a 20”
Triggertech diamond trigger
That’s a prefit so you can easily screw it together in your garage in 10 minutes.
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Is there a significant difference in the 90° bolt vs 75° bolt? Also, the CRB hunter vs the Bartlein, which one would you recommend? Single stage or two stage? I’m 99% bow hunter until recently so all of this is going to be super new to me.
CRB is a newish company (new ownership and name anyway) but it’s owned by a two-time PRS champion. It’s single point cut rifling which is the ideal way to do it. I just barely got one of their barrels so I’ll have a more informed opinion after that, but some of the top competitors are using them so I’d have no hesitation.
The other option listed is Bartlein. Same way to cut the rifling. Absolutely no one can argue with a Bartlein barrel. My most accurate rifle ever is a Bartlein barrel.
I prefer a two stage trigger but most people like single stage.
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I’m going to go this route and see how it works for me. I’ll be looking for your chassis when it drops. Thank you for the advice everyone!
Here’s a easy option- and if your a Cabela’s club member you could also save another 10% on there club Mondays.
Not a bad deal at all.
I always get concerned when I see a relatively new rifle up for sale as “used”. Makes me wonder if it’s a problem gun.
But with Seekins, their warranty is Lifetime and for any owner. It does not apply to the original owner only. Therefore if it is a problem gun, you should be able to get help from the company rather easily
My guess being it’s in Connecticut, it was bought for a specific hunt outside the state, and it’s a one hunt and done situation. As that state has such restrictions
I have completed my third successful elk hunt with the Bergara B 14 crest every time I take it out of the safe I have been extremely satisfied it has all the form and function of the new style guns at a decent price point and fairly light. My only knock on it is that it did not come with an integrated Arca rail, but the be stock is flat so it is easy to attach one.
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