Ben's Top 10 Hunting Cartridges

Can’t say I agree with either the Poll or Jim’s list 100%, but there is a lot I do agree with. Even so, here is my list:

1 - 300WSM
2 - 308 Win
3 - 6.5 PRC
4 - 7 PRC
5 - 30-06
6 - 6.5CM
7 - 243 Win
8 - 300WinMag
9 - 7 SAUM
10 - 22-250

Number 1 - 300WSM. It does everything the 300WM does but in a short action and less recoil. Tons of ammo options and its 30 cal. I am actually surpised it didn’t make either list from the video.
Number 2 - 308 kills everthing in America and does it with low to moderate recoil. Its not the most modern, but ammo is available, cheap and varied. Its too hard to argue against it.

For the rest:
I have the 7PRC and I just don’t agree with the “Its too much recoil” argument. I can be midigated and it shoots as flat as anything. I have never left the range with a bruised shoulder, I can, and have, shoot it all day. So, its on my list. I also don’t have the 300WM as high because it is even more of a hammer than the 7PRC, also why the 300PRC isnt on my list. I also inlcude the 22-250 because a varmit round really needs to be included and that one is 100% tried and true. Maybe the 22 CM will replace, but right now I think Hornady is the only one making ammo for it, so…

What are y’all’s top 10?

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Sad to see there is no love for the quarter bore on anybody’s list so far. Pretty darn versatile and a lot of history with them. I’m hoping to take a whitetail this next year with a 257 Roberts.

I can’t rank them. I love them all. I would have one of everything if I could

I wrestled with the 25-06 vs the 243, I just love the 243 though.

I think I should preface this by saying I put significantly more emphasis on the type of freedom seeds being used than what they are launched from. Also – shoot what you want, but here’s my sales pitch!

  1. 223 Rem (1:8 twist)

Almost unlimited barrel life. Cheap to shoot. Dang near no recoil. Kills everything in North America out to about 400-450 yards. It’s what most shooters should be using (if legal in your state), and I can prove it (or at least try to convince Jim to join the dark side) by trying to head off the arguments I had previously for not wanting to use it.

It’s Unethical:

Won’t somebody think of elk shoulders or that iron plated elk skin! Obviously exaggerating, but if you believe a 223 can be used for Pronghorn, you should have no problem believing it can kill elk. The rib bone on a Pronghorn is Thicker than an ek scapula. I would argue it’s more ethical than using a cartridge with more recoil that a hunter can’t shoot well.

It’s Marginal:

But…elk are really wide! Using a big game appropriate freedom seed will still reach the vitals and cause significant tissue damage. It’s been proven through ballistic gel and a pile of necropsy pictures on big game that it works. If you incorrectly use a varmint freedom seed, you are going to have a bad day and wound an animal. The right freedom seeds create near ideal wound channels for killing big game quickly.

Distance and Recoil:

I think Jim has inadvertently proved just how much Distance and Recoil matters in his recent shooting range videos. He has invited out elite, highly experienced shooters for the Backfire challenge, all with custom rifles built specifically for range work, and they are still missing. Those shots are taken in ideal settings. Prone, no timer, can range target accurately, etc. and they still miss frequently. Now add in field conditions, where adrenaline is pumping, you may be breathing hard from hiking/stalking and may or may not have a great rest. There’s a real uncomfortable truth starting to rear its head that hunters shouldn’t be shooting past 300-400 yards in most cases.

Multiple shots:

There’s a weird perception that when we take multiple shots with a 7mm/30 caliber, it’s a tough animal, but if any other cartridge takes multiple rounds, it’s ineffective. Maybe we can all just be honest and admit that elk are tough animals and some just have different genetics/survival instinct/whatever that makes them harder to kill. Sometimes they take more than one shot.

Monolithic: I would NOT use any current monolithic freedom seeds in this cartridge for anything bigger than a pronghorn. If DRT freedom seeds end up being viable as a fragmenting mono-metal, this may change, but this is the one area where I would say stay up at a 30-caliber freedom seed. Thinking through this logically. If you are creating a pencil through wound from a freedom seed that mushrooms instead of fragments, you want it to be as wide as possible. (Think of the old westerns when someone gets shot and it passes through without hitting anything vital).

Placement trumps all:

I agree. Regardless of cartridge, this is what matters. Again, I think the Backfire videos have shown, and PRS supports the idea that we shoot smaller cartridges better. So, if we have a cartridge that recoils less, causes ideal wound channels and sufficient tissue damage to kill big game quickly and ethically, at realistic hunting ranges. Why are you shooting anything else? Welcome to team 223!

  1. 22 CM

Flatter shooting 223. It’s freaking awesome! More forgiving if you make a ranging error or are making a longer poke. This rocket launcher allows you get away with a 16-18” barrel and still have freedom seeds expanding at extended ranges. The only real downside is that it has a shorter barrel life – something your average shooter probably won’t ever need to worry about.

  1. 6 CM

If you live in a state with a .243 minimum caliber, this is what I would jump up to. Keeps recoil to a minimum and kill animals while bringing that inherent accuracy from the 6.5CM case. I like the 6 Dasher. It’s incredibly accurate, but I have read the shoulder on it can cause feeding issues and you should get a flatter trajectory from the 6 CM. I think this is the next big cartridge to take off.

  1. 6.5CM

A 24” barrel will have the 143g ELD-X fully expanding out to around 650 yards. It’s accurate, it’s low recoiling. It works. Even if you throw a shorter barrel on, it’s still getting you farther than most people should be shooting.

5/6. 6.5PRC/270 Win

Coin toss. Both are great and are ballistic twins. I’ve heard the 6.5 PRC can be more accurate due to the tighter tolerances and modernized freedom seeds, but it can be higher maintenance as far as cleaning. Don’t think there’s a wrong decision here. I have nostalgia for the 270, but they are both winners.

Have not ranked the rest, but would probably be a mix of these:

308

7mm-08

6.8 Western

22 LR

Ah man… No 22 Creed??? :pleading_face:

Just to add fuel to the controversy :slight_smile:

One cartridge to rule them all:

308

does everything well. Can hunt everything. 100gr to 275gr subsonics.

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A very versatile cartridge indeed.

I’m hoping the 308 will be the next to receive the "backcountry " treatment. More energy for longer ranges along with faster twist for higher BC Bullets that everyone loves.

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That would be awsome! If all that changed was the case so that its was 80K+ and would work in all modern 308s, that would be the ultimate game changer. Cheap ammo to take to the range and super fast ammo for long range target or hunt. I don’t reload so I dont know if putting a sleek modern bullet would drastically change the COAL so that it wouldn’t be a 308 anymore, but the idea of it is exciting.

Yeah don’t know if you’d run into COAL issues or not. You could always give it the Super WSM treatment and run it out of a long action

But a short action rifle with a 16 inch barrel would be one awesome piece of hunting equipment. And heck, you don’t need to push it to 300 Win Mag levels just make it perform like a 30-06 and you have a gun that could kill pretty much anything

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300wsm is indeed a cool cartridge. I don’t own one, but I’d like to get one.

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You could just re-barrel a 6PRC. Same bolt face and everything :slight_smile:

  1. 223
  2. 7-08
  3. 308 win
  4. 30-06
  5. 7 rem mag
  6. 22 lr
  7. 22 mag
    Covers
    varmints to 600
    medium game at ranges to 600
    heavy game to 600
    plinking and survival needs
    Barrel wear and ammo availability - top marks for all listed
    Reloading supplies - top marks for all listed
    Reloading data and ballistic info - top marks for all listed

All the new stuff is great…but it re-hashes around the edges of what we already know about ballistics for performing cartridges.

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[quote=“mwoolsey, post:4, topic:2701”]
There’s a real uncomfortable truth starting to rear its head that hunters shouldn’t There’s a real uncomfortable truth starting to rear its head that hunters shouldn’t be shooting past 300-400 yards in most cases.be shooting past 300-400 yards in most cases.

Exactly…

Then why not just shoot a 30-06 if that is the performance you are looking for?

Because you’re not going to get good 30-06 performance out of a 16 inch barrel.

Then don’t use a 16” barrel.

The 16” barrel is as good as it gets for convenience when backcountry. To get the performance of 24” 30-06
Out of a 30 cal but 16” barrel is bit of the holy grail.

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Well, if a person is good with a 24 inch barrel, then that is an option. The advantage people are working to achieve is good velocity with a shorter barrel. There are more variables than what I will say, but…..longer cases like the 30-06 are not efficient in terms of powder burn = pressures generated to drive the bullet. That is why, when looking at a comparison of the 308 Win (short action) to 30-06 (long action) you will find that in the lighter bullets 125-155 the 308 will equal if not surpass the 30-06 in velocities generated because the case is more efficient with less or equal powder charges. The 30-06 takes over where you can add more powder due to its case capacity, to then drive heavier bullets, say 175 and up. The short action, or medium action length cartridges like the 300 WSM, 6.5 PRC and others, give you the efficient case length, but because they are also fatter, you can put more powder in them to drive bullets faster, in shorter barrels. There is a more technical discussion on this but, I think this covers the basics.

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That was a well put together answer. A short barrel is easier to handle in the field for sure. I’ll be looking around for a bolt gun with a 16” barrel in 300 WSM, any recommendations?

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This is interesting. Wouldn’t 300 or 7 SAUM give you that 30-06 performance out of a short barrel? 300 wsm clearly will, but that’s a lot of recoil.

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