Pretty neat…the 30-06 case with just a little more powder than the 308 would seem to be the ticket. Might have to get some of the 212s and run them in a rifle, twist rate may be the only challenge as mine is a 10 and a 8-9 twist is probably the way to go with a bullet of that length. Great info and appreciate the post.
30-06 would certainly give it a little more juice and velocity. But I don’t know if you could fit the bullet in a magazine for a 30-06. May have to be a single feed. Or could you put a 30-06 in an even longer action??
Just checked. Preferred barrels will make you a 1:8 twist for a 30 caliber rifle so that should stabilize it.
Yeah, good thought on the 3006. If I did this I would probably have the barrel cut for the length of the 3006 to get the velocity out of the case capacity above what the 308 is doing. That would put it above or into the league of everything being done with a 300 WSM or 300 Win Mag. On the other hand, it is pretty neat to think you can get almost what the magnums do out of the 308 case but with only 40ish grains of powder (guessing based on what was said in the video) versus 75+ grains.
I may be off base on this, but the way they talked about the design of the bullet, and that it does not contact the rifling until it gets closer to the base of the bullet, sounds to me like what I read about what the Swiss did in developing the bullet for the K31 rifle…if I recall that bullet does not engage the rifling either until right at the base, this makes it fly extremely well and I assume like they said, helps reduce pressure. Good stuff.
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Yeah, the more I think about it the more intrigued I am about that actual bullet design myself. If you listen to what Ryan has to say it should be the bee’s knees for bullets.
Heavy for a mono bullet, should penetrate anything that walks the Earth.
Super high BC for a mono bullet. That’s what allows the 308 to outperform a 300 Win Mag at only 300 yards.
Interesting bullet shape allows it to be a rather long bullet but not require the owner to go out and ream out the Chamber of the rifle to get it to fit.
Opens it ridiculously low velocities for a mono bullet. In fact if what he quoted a 1500 ft per second is true, that’s better than most cup and core bullets and really opens up the effective range of the thing.
So why aren’t we hearing about this bullet everyday? It’s not brand new. It’s been out there for around 5 years if not longer now.
I did a quick search online. The only thing I could find from a factory loading using this bullet is a small custom/botique ammo maker who only loads it in 300 PRC. That’s going to be a tough one also because of magazine length as well as twist rates for most PRC rifles ( which surprises me. I thought all prcs had fast twist rates. I’ve never really investigated the 300 however). Supposedly it was designed for the 300 norma. I don’t see any loads in that chambering with this bullet.
I found a few threads from 2020 to 2022 where people said they were going to try it out and see how it worked. None of them ever reported back and none of them ever reported back into use case, hunting experience with it.
They haven’t really broken that design out and developed other calibers like 270, 6.5 mm, etc. The 160 lrx in 7 mm looks similar, but according to the spokesman from the manufacturer when that thing was rolled out for the 7prc, they said it had extremely high impact velocity requirements almost what a ttsx needs.
So are there some problems that people just aren’t talking about with it?
Well, the design may be only manageable from a manufacturing point cause they can shape the copper solid easier than drawing a multipoint dimension jacket along the length of a core. The other thing is that if this type of design works that well it makes all the others obsolete so expensive for makers to get rid of current inventory and develop new rounds. Finally, it would kill all the talk about the new PRC rounds being the nest best thing…people being able to upgrade their rifle performance just by using a new bullet in the old favorite is not gonna help new rifle sales. I think it is neat, and may try them out, but it is definitely a boutique type of bullet right now. If I get bored and itchy enough I might make the investment on a 1:8 on the next 308 I rebarrel.
good talking with you.
Really, I think just running high bc 7mm bullets in the 7-08 gets you to about the same thing without having to think too hard. The .545 bc on the sierra tgk should be a good bullet in the 7-08. Not sure why it couldn’t be loaded to 2850 or more since the case capacity is the same for a 308 win and running a 155 at 2850 is pretty standard.
On the vortex podcast today the subject was their project with the 300 WSM and the lrx bore Rider. Kind of a question and answer session, over an hour long.
Ryan says he spoke to one of the engineers at Barnes about this and asked them about additional bore Riders models coming out. They said that there’s just something about the 30 caliber having the exact correct weight and diameter to make this work. Changing either really messes the system up and therefore we’re probably only going to have the current 30 caliber version.
